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Comments on: Bronco Busters https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/ The Independent Voice of Notre Dame Athletics Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:28:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: LetsGoND https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2761 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:28:17 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2761 In reply to Teo.

Oh, and when l was listing teams that would dismantle Notre Dame, I forgot to include Navy. My fault.

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By: DT80 https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2745 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:06:00 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2745 Patrick-Nice post, especially regarding how dramatically football has changed in the last 20 years. You can be very successful these days as a pass first team, even at the pro level. You don’t have to look any further than last’s year’s Super Bowl for a good example.

aov-I believe you are referencing the old D1A and D1AA system. That was replaced by the current FBS (Football Bowl Subdivision) and FCS (Football Championship Subdivision) system a few years ago. ND and Western Michigan are both FBS schools.

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By: aov https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2742 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 02:19:31 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2742 In reply to Patrick.

No to rain on your parade, but it was Western Michigan ND beat by 24 a D-1A team. Lets see what happens in the next few weeks. Has Michigan adjusted? Will Rich Rodg still be coaching at Michigan in two years? Last time I checked Callahan was fired at Nebraska. Most of the time I read comments on this here I feel like I am at a Cubs game. We are two years away from being a contender. How many times or years can this be said. 1988 was a long time ago.

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By: Patrick https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2741 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:16:56 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2741 Every time I read the comments on here I chuckle. Notre Dame can never win with some of you guys. They win by 24, but they didn’t win by enough. They win a close game, and they should have put it away in the 1st quarter. They throw for 350 yards, and they should have run more. They run for 190 yards, and they should have thrown to Michael Floyd more. They hold a team to 37 yards rushing, but didn’t stop every pass attempt. They hold a team to 150 yards passing, but didn’t keep their opponents to less than 30 yards rushing. GET OVER IT!

This is not a Holtz team. Notre Dame (and this entire spread system) will NEVER run an I-formation half back dive for 8 yards at a time. You are not going to see 250lb halfbacks who run 4.8’s in the ND backfield. The days of 320lb offensive lineman who can do no more than run block are G-O-N-E.

The run? While I do agree the run is important, it is no more important than the pass, or catching, or solid QB play. Football has evolved to a stage where teams can – and do – win with a minimal running game. Whereas 20+ years ago the run was heavily featured, it is not anymore. And when it is, it is usually featured by the QB – ala Denard Robinson.

Is this a BCS team? Nope. Is it a 9 win team? It shouldn’t be. But what do you expect from a team laden with under-performing players who were conditioned to fall apart in games?

And to those who expect to see the Bearcats offense in this ND team – wake up. It takes years to develop that. For some reason, you guys think all it takes a magical snap of the fingers and a pro-style offensive system will magically become a spread offense. Look at Michigan and how long it has taken them to adjust. For the major college football fans, remember when Army switched from the option to a passing attack? How about Nebraska from their option to the Callahan passing game? It NEVER happens right away. Ever. Why? Because first their is a philosophical change, sometimes 180 degrees in the opposite direction. Players must unlearn what they have learned. Second, the physical characteristics of the players are different in each system. And three, they have very little time to perfect it, prior to the season starting. And it ends up becoming a crash-course during the season.

To me, year 1 is about establishing passion and work ethic. Year 2 is about significant progress on both sides of the ball (statistically speaking). And Year 3 is its perfection.

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By: Teo https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2740 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:36:21 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2740 In reply to Jim Prisby.

This isn’t a bad team when they play together. But, they’re unpolished.

I generally take issue with your suggestion that running the ball is the solution to all of our woes. I remember the Davie years. You should, too. Being able to execute a passing scheme is a sign of strength, given that we have a new quarterback and a relatively new offensive line and an All America TE injured and a few running backs banged up.

I don’t agree that we can only win with a dominant running game. We can win with a balanced attack, too. Sometimes we throw too often but Kelly’s been the coach for like 7 seven games. He shouldn’t be criticized because he likes a spread offense that relies on short passes.

One final point: right now, the offensive line does look like it struggles to develop holes for our backs. That may have something to do with Weis’ five years of coaching. These things don’t get fixed overnight.

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By: mpsND'72 https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2739 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:32:17 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2739 In reply to John Vannie.

I was out on the west coast last weekend, but had time to watch the game. The first half stunk. Disgust does not travel well.

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By: Teo https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2738 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:27:58 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2738 In reply to Kevin.

Again, I would be reluctant to make any predictions on the records. For five years, Weis paid little attention to the defense. While he was fairly bright on offense, he was operating with an NFL quarterback for most of that time. Now we have a new Q and a lot of new guys up front. We should beat Navy and Tulsa but it’s not a sure thing.

This is a team that’s a work in progress. We have to get better each week. It seems that this is what is happening.

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By: Teo https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2737 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:22:34 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2737 In reply to LetsGoND.

We ran pretty well in the second half last week. I would say that we’re starting to figure out how to take advantage of a defense’s weakness — and that includes figuring out how to run the ball when it’s needed. It’s not a perfect offense but I’m starting to feel like we’re going in the right direction.

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By: Teo https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2736 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:19:32 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2736 In reply to aneis.

Football is a game of motivation. On offense, coaches need to motivate eleven guys toward one goal — at one time. On defense, same thing. So, Kelly is motivating his kids. And, yes, he storms the sidelines. Lou and Ara did the same thing. He screams at his players. Ara and Lou did the same thing. So do big-time coaches (you’ll note that I did not write “other” big time coaches because I don’t know that Coach Kelly falls in that class yet).

Is he Bobby Knight, physically assaulting players? I haven’t seen that at all. Sure, he gets frustrated and he vents but that emotion — the thrill of a touchdown and the agony of a penalty — is not a bad thing. It’s actually something that’s been missing in this program since the days of Lou. I don’t remember Davie or Willingham or Weis expressing their frustration in a similar manner.

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By: Chris https://dev.ndnation.com/bronco-busters/#comment-2734 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:35:25 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1115#comment-2734 Seems like most of you fans have been asleep for the past 15 years….this program has many many monkeys on its back and the ship simply does not get righted properly in one year. We get rid of one monkey at a time and while it seems ridiculous – this team needs to learn to win again. Odd for ND in general but true none the same. BK is doing a tremendous job thus far. As long as he stays in the grill of these players and continues doing what he is doing a solid foundation will be rebuilt for this program. We basically have a freshman QB as far as Crists playing experience goes, all in all the offense is doing pretty damn good especially learning an entirely new offensive scheme. We finally have a big time play maker and one tough hombre in Manti’ on D – and eventually the supporting cast will fall in line. Stay the course – lots more going on w/ ND football than just getting players to execute the X’s and O’s. GO IRISH!

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