That’s fair.

You’re comparing Kelly to three of the absolute worst coaches ever to coach at ND. So no, I don’t put a lot of stock into what happened in those years.

I don’t think ND has Alabama’s talent. I do think, with effort and the right staff, they could get pretty damn close.

If Kelly is working with “chop meat”, it’s his own damn fault. The admin has given him break after break after break, but his shortcomings limit what ND can achieve on his watch. Don’t believe me, ask off the record people who actually cover ND recruiting, they’d agree with me.

If “no one is winning with this D”, again, it’s the fault of the coaches. We can and should recruit a lot better. If you want to be a defeatist, that’s on you. I demand better.

So if I take into account the last 20 years of “data” which shows me that we haven’t been able to consistently recruit in the top 5 or so particularly on defense then I’m the fool or better yet need to “hike up my skirt and leave the website” Kelly can coach with just about anyone in the country. Are there 5-10 coaches I’d prefer, sure but in many cases the coach that wins the title has top 5 talent. Urban doesnt go to Tulsa to show hes great coach he gets all the best players and then does a good job winning. You think ND has nearly as much talent as Bama? Sorry I cant exactly compare Saban and Kelly when one is working with filet and the other chop meat. You either can’t see that and you think we are losing because of coaching and not lack of talent or you think Kelly sucks at recruiting and we can find a better coach for that part of the job? Of course Kelly has done a better job of recruiting then the previous 3 coaches but your holding out hope that the Houston coach for example would come here and all of a sudden we would have Alabama recruits dying to come to South Bend. Sorry, we dont have a decent pass rusher and any Dbs that can cover-no one is winning with this D.

Didn’t know “signature losses” were a thing until Kelly. haha.

You can’t be serious. Kizer is one of the only bright spots on this team. To demand even more of him is not only unfair, it is absurd.

Let’s not forget at the time of that extension, Kelly was still hoping for an NFL exit. So it’s possible the buyout provisions are not onerous.

Easier said than done, especially considering his contract extension.

It’s what you call bad coaching.

I think we all know by now about Kelly, 2012 was a perfect combination of events, obviously a great defensive coordinator and a really solid defense, but it wasn’t so great, because BAMA dominated it in the BCS Championship. Even with a horrible D-Coordinator as an excuse, the offense is still very inconsistent, and doesn’t possess the intricate attention to detail to play to its full potential. For example, how often does Kizer not make the play on 3rd and short to keep the chains moving? How often do runs get tackled for a loss? How often do you have a 3rd and 3 and all the receivers are running 15+ yard routes? Kelly confuses a lot of people because his offense was better at CIncy with arguably lesser quality recruits. I just think ND is a coaching graveyard, he won everywhere else he coached, and I think he would do better at a large state school, it’s just not a good environment for football anymore. I think it has more potential than Stanford, but Stanford is currently the gold standard football program for elite private schools.