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Comments on: Notre Dame Has Run Out Of Mulligans And Flyers https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/ The Independent Voice of Notre Dame Athletics Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:50:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Anonymous https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-268 Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:50:24 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-268 Norm Chow. enough said.

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By: Anonymous https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-269 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:14:07 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-269 This is all so depressing. I was listening to a Chicago Sports Talk Station and the commentator was railing about ND's "sanctimonious" approach to college football. Paraphrasing this talking head, he basically said: "We all know what college football is about. You recruit the strongest and fastest kids, with just enough intelligence so that they will not flunk out, and you hope they will not rape anyone on campus in their four years." He might be right. You take Bama, Texas, Florida, etc and you look at their graduation rates. Pretty bad. Yeah, so we can be Stanford, or Northwestern, or Georgia Tech, blah, blah, blah. Folks, none of these schools will ever win a national title, though they may well post 9-3 or 8-4 W-L records. This is not the college football of Ara or Knute, or Leahy. I doubt that ND wants to Stoop or become "Myered" (sorry for the puns) in the current zeitgeist of what is needed for a National Title.

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By: Irish73 https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-270 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:52:45 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-270 After watching some big games this weekend one could see an element that one hardly ever saw in a ND game this year- emotion. From Weis and his handpicked QB you hardly ever saw anything to indicate it was anything other than a business. When we went a whole first half without scoring a point, was anyone being chewed out on the sidelines or going nuts trying to get the other players excited? I didn't see it. More than anything a new coach has to be smart and exciting. Lou was that. But Davies, Ty, and now CW were just too business-like to deal with kids that are so young. I want a guy that will impress me with his schemes, but also one who will cry when ND loses and jump up and down when we score. No more stoic, arms-crossed coaches! Let them do boring commentary on ESPN2!

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By: Ohio Irish https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-271 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:59:26 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-271 I think most of you are missing the point of this post. Vannie is only reiterating the ctiteria laid out by Swarbrick. You guys may say that I am crazy, but I also don't see why Stoops or Meyer wouldn't leave their respective positions to coach at ND. Five years ago when this was all discussed, the ND program was in a far worse state. Now we have the talent, but we need someone to guide them.

There are a few comments here that stated that Holtz was a rising star when he was hired at ND. That is not the case. He had already won over 100 games at the D1 level. I would call that being an established coach who can win at the highest level.

I for one would like to see Phillip Fulmer. He is available, and he has been successful at the D1 level. He won 152 games at Tennessee. Let me say that again. He won 152 games at Tennessee.

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By: Kevin https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-272 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:23:17 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-272 Ok,we are all lifetime ND fans,we stick around thru thick and thin and for the last generation very thin.The reality is that ND has the money but no longer the position in college football to dictate it's choice for the head football coach. That top tier,proven,program sustaining choice is just not an option. Maybe we could get Pete Carrol etc.,but the more likely scenario will provide us with a diamond in the rough who will flourish with the support of the ND family.

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By: Patrick https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-273 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:03:04 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-273 Here is what bothers me about Kelly. We've read the last day or so how he told the Bearcats team he wasn't leaving. Those players took his word for it and repeated it to the media. I understand the nuances of instilling confidence in a team (especially as you're heading into a conference championship game). But if it's true, and Kelly said that, then jumps ship, it speaks volumes.

Do we really want someone with the character of Nick Saban (who repeatedly denied going to Alabama, till the moment he did)?

One thing lost – and in my opinion translated wrong – is this idea of getting a coach who has maintained a program. The author of this article put Notre Dame on the level of USC, Florida and Oklahoma. It is not. Traditionally, sure, it is. But not over the last 15 years. So you cannot expect a coach from a Tier 1 BCS school to make a move to ND. If we use the author's criteria, there are only a few coaches that meet his standards: Pete Carrol, Mack Brown, Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops.

That is short-sighted. I don't want Carrol, Brown, Meyer or Stoops. The truth is, my dog has more character than all those men combined (well, maybe not Brown, but the definitely the others). And what Kelly has proven to me is the same thing, unless he TRULY plans on staying at Cincinnati. If he does, great, I commend him for turning down ND and telling his players the truth.

Tubberville? Come on. He didn't maintain anything. Does anyone remember WHY he was fired?

Fulmer? He had a good run at Tenn. And then drove the program to mediocrity. Hardly a recipe for inspiration.

Gruden? He can stay at ESPN. There is no "learning" curve at ND.

Stoops (either one) – can stay where they are at. Bob, we don't need you.

Meyer. I'm not even going to address that one.

Skip Holtz has come up recently. He's intriguing. But I don't see him at Notre Dame.

In my opinion, what Notre Dame needs is a coach who wins with "less." And by less I mean, less 5 star recruits, less attractive atmosphere, against opponents who "should" beat them. Who comes to mind?

My first choice – Paul Johnson of Georgia Tech. He's won championships (at Georgia Southern), tuned Navy COMPLETELY around, and has Georgia Tech as a top 10 and BCS team. His offense plays a style that is unattractive to warm weather QB's who want to be the next Peyton Manning. But guess what? I don't care. I want wins. Not QB's drafted on the first day.

To me, Paul Johnson is the complete package. He won with less talent, coached at a school more strict and held to higher standards than Notre Dame (and most importantly, won with men dedicated to not playing in the NFL, but serving this country).

I'm not sure if Johnson is open to leaving Georgia Tech. But that's who I would focus on.

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By: Anonymous https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-274 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:50:42 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-274 No matter who ND chooses as the next head coach, the new coach regardless of where he has been and what he has done will have to prove himself all over in the eyes of the Irish fan. All of the coaches that have turned into the Supercoach we as ND fans are looking for started out as suspect in most ways until he found a way to become the coach the became. It makes no difference as long as it is someone who makes sense and can motivate kids to be the best student athlete they are capable of. When the next coach is named, there will be groans until he finally takes us back into the BCS contention we all want. Who ever it is we need to back him the same way we believed in Charlie. Hopefully it will be with the results we all want. We all will wait until we are finally convinced we have the right man and no matter who it is, it will take some time to get to that point.

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By: Anonymous https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-275 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:50:07 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-275 GO GET BRIAN KELLY… AND GO IRISH

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By: Anonymous https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-276 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:44:16 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-276 I have to disagree with Vannie's post, at least on specifics. We have to aim for the best, but there has to be a certain amount of realism as well.

Most of the big names simply won't leave their current position for ND. Based on what's transpired in the past week, I'd have to say Stoops might, but it's a longshot at best. I don't think Meyer will, and to be honest, I wouldn't want him at ND given what transpired in 2004, as well as the off-field incidents associated with Florida's program during his tenure. As for Tressel, I frequent a college football board with fans from many other teams, including tOSU. I haven't heard any of the tOSU fans there wanting him out, although of course, I can't say that they speak for the entire fanbase.

Gruden simply does not meet the criteria Swarbrick has laid out, most notably due to his long absence from the college game and the fact that he never has been a college coach. Tuberville? I honestly don't see him coming here, I think he's a Southern boy at heart. I wouldn't mind the next coach hiring him as DC, though.

Of those coaches in the obviously gettable category, I'd have to say that Kelly is the best bet. He has faced a higher level of competition than either Patterson or Peterson, at least on a week in, week out basis. Plus, he's built a very strong recruiting base in the Cincinnati area, traditionally a good area for ND to recruit.

Kelly to me stands out above not only Patterson and Peterson, but also Fitzgerald, Edsall and Skip Holtz. I'd like to get Stoops, don't get me wrong, but I'm still somewhat skeptical about our chances. If we don't get him, Kelly's our best bet.

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By: Anonymous https://dev.ndnation.com/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-277 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:35:08 +0000 http://ndn.9seeds.com/uncategorized/notre-dame-has-run-out-of-mulligans-and-flyers/#comment-277 What about the Stoops from Arizona? They just kicked USC! Maybe we have been "stooping" up the wrong Stoop???

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