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Comments on: Fixing Notre Dame Football https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/ The Independent Voice of Notre Dame Athletics Tue, 01 May 2018 13:07:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: borromini https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4029 Mon, 04 Apr 2011 22:24:59 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4029 In reply to Kyle G.

“…I think Ty cared about ND more than Charlie did…”

Ok…you’re going to have to back this one up with some real specific evidence that TW cared more about ND than Weis.

In my book, Ty “the outsider” never fully understood or embraced ND’s values; never showed in his last two years that he was capable of recruiting with the desire and drive necessary to succeed; and thought of ND Alums and faculty as intolerables.

This can never be compared to Weis “the Alum” who may have failed as a head coach, but clearly showed a greater desire, drive and love for the values, culture and vision that is Notre Dame.

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By: MW https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4028 Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:05:05 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4028 Reading between the lines here, it becomes more and more obvious with each passing week that Kelly is a consummate professional, on and off the field, where Weis was nothing more than a blowhard who thought his 3 SB rings would get the job done. (As if we needed more evidence about that approach)
I was always amazed at how many games ND lost to inferior opponents in the 4th quarter. Syracuse, Navy and Connecticut come immediately to mind. Conclusion: Poorly conditioned, poorly coached and disorganized. That’s the Weis legacy.
Love Kelly.

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By: El Kabong https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4027 Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:50:45 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4027 In reply to Matt.

Some processes are meaningful, and some processes are not. Deciding to have a training table is meaningful. Deciding what building to put it in is not. Deciding to have tutoring available is meaningful. Deciding what time it should start is not.

I don’t find any of the processes listed in the article are particularly meaningful. I also believe that a lot of the content of this article has been covered already and don’t know the value of covering it yet again.

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By: mpsND'72 https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4026 Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:36:44 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4026 In reply to DCIrish.

My award-winning tulips should be blooming, by the end of April.

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By: SEE https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4025 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 23:25:54 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4025 In reply to mpsND’72.

Every time I see “nothing matters, but wins” I think, “no shit.”

Nothing matters but winning is hardly an elucidating idea. Everyone knows that positives now will fade if wins don’t follow. It’s an insipid point.

If the accompanying thought is “we should just wait for results before writing or reading anything,” then why are you reading anything about Notre Dame football now?

I know the answer.

The answer is because you’re interested in what’s going on in the program.

Nothing matters but winning in the end, but almost everyone is interested in following and understanding the journey. I wrote the article and I don’t think anything matters in the end but winning, but I’m very interested in how this evolves and noting what I think are positives and negatives. That’s the reason five ND sites are busy now. Following the journey and noting the negatives and positives (which everyone does, btw) isn’t at odds with the thought that nothing matters in the end but winning. They’re not mutually exclusive.

This article is not about judgment (which will be based on wins,) it’s about changes in the program that clearly many find informative.

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By: Matt https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4024 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:20:04 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4024 In reply to El Kabong.

During the coaching search, all we heard on NDN was “focus on the process” ad naseaum because the process was supposedly flawed (which I disagree with).

And now “process and protocol mean bupkes” and “People who have great processes still lose. People who have crappy processes can still win.”

Safe to assume that you weren’t in the “damn the hire because the process sucked” camp?

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By: DCIrish https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4023 Sat, 02 Apr 2011 22:36:23 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4023 El Kabong and friends: You’re correct, nothing matters but wins. However, since a quick check of the calendar shows that no wins will be forthcoming until 3 September 2011, it makes one wonder why you are bothering to read a post in April. If you don’t care, that’s certainly your privilege; but if others are interested in such matters as SEE presents for discussion in the spring, why must you bother them? No one’s forcing you to read these blogs, are they? Just go on about planting your tulips or whatever, enjoy your summer, and we’ll see you in September.

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By: borromini https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4022 Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:56:52 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4022 In reply to Jimbo.

“Heck I was wrong on CW and I admit it.”

Well at least you have experience in admitting that you’re wrong. It will make it that much easier for you to admit again…soon. 🙂

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By: borromini https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4021 Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:52:07 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4021 In reply to Jonny.

You mean losing to Tulsa and Navy…which was bad enough. Losing to W. Michigan would have caused a seismic riven in South Bend! 🙂

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By: Jonny https://dev.ndnation.com/skill-will-hill-and-fixing-notre-dame-football/#comment-4020 Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:16:31 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=1912#comment-4020 In reply to Jimbo.

Jimbo,

But did you predict that we would drop to Navy and W Michigan and then beat Utah and USC? I think you predicted a team that would lost the big ones and get 7 of the easier wins. The most telling, (or encouraging,) aspect of last year absolutely cannot be ascertained from the record, but from how the team actually GOT BETTER by the end of the season for a change. That team that beat Utah, USC and Miami would not have lost to W Michigan or Navy, (or Michigan for that matter.)

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