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Comments on: Time For Point C https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/ The Independent Voice of Notre Dame Athletics Tue, 01 May 2018 13:43:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Jim https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12848 Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:30:16 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12848 I too have watched ND BB over the last few years and am amazed that nothing of significance has changed. They have no discernible offensive strategy or identity except to dribble around for awhile, make a few passes then shoot a three. No defensive fundamentals to speak of, still cannot defend the pick and roll at the top of the key, don’t box out consistently, and commit numerous turnovers when their guards pick up their dribble to soon. Bret is a mediocre recruiter at best especially for instate talent! But other than that he’s a great guy! IMHO as long as Brey is our coach mediocrity is the best we can hope for, and the university it seems is fine with that for now, but once we join the ACC that may change!

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By: Tom https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12801 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:03:27 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12801 And I also vote for the death penalty for the next person who brings up the uniforms. Get a life!!

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By: Tom https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12800 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:02:32 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12800 Be careful what you wish for. It could aslo be true that this is more like the Joe Tiller situation at Purdue — took them from sheer cr*p to winning season after winning season — even a Rose Bowl, but never to the elite level. Now he’s gone. And they are back to cr*p.

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By: martinjordan https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12792 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:02:27 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12792 Notre Dame men’s baskestball is NOT an elite coaching position. From what I read earlier this week it’s underfunded and probably not a desireable situation for either a veteran coach or an up and coming coach. So if Brey is fired then who would be the next coach?

When Digger resigned under pressure everyone thought Pete Gillen was a lock but he decided to stay at Xavier and ND was forced to settle for John McLeod. The program became a laughing stock.

Matt Dougherty showed promise but couldn’t resist the lure of his Alma Mater (not to mention the pressure applied by a phone call from Michael Jordan.)

That brings us to Mike Brey. McLeod and Dougherty did not leave the cupboard empty. He inherited the likes of Troy Murphy, Harold Swannigan, Ryan Humphrey and Matt Carroll and experienced early success. Then came a few NIT appearances as he found his niche and developed his recruiting network. His success has been built on the development on two and three star recruits but he’s been able to upgrade that to three and four star recruits recently and is starting to compete with Duke for accademically viable recruits. Although Luke Zeller and Chris Thomas were notable busts who wanted to shoot three point shots and not much else Brey has done an outstanding job with player deveopment.

Notre Dame’s administration is not going to lower it’s standards to those of John Calipari, Jim Calhoun (yes, I know he retired), and Rick Pitino – all with graduation rates under 40% – nor should they. Brad Stevens and his 83% graduation rate would seem to be a good fit but he could take a well funded, elite position. Shaka Smart and his 56% graduation rate are probably not an option.

As long as Brian Kelly is winning football games and the men are getting to the post season Mike Brey is safe. After all FOOTBALL is what’s driving conference realignment and is where the real money is.

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By: flirish https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12781 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 02:00:48 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12781 things could be dramatically better without sacrificing academics. Hiding behind this lame excuse is accepting mediocrity. I can be done, is being done at other schools and can be done at ND. We need a coach, an AD and an athletic dept that wants and expects more

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By: John fox https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12774 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:54:55 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12774 Burn the shamrock uniforms ! Go back to the basics and get quicker !

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By: CT Domer https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12769 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 20:11:42 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12769 I have been following Duke basketball very closely since 2000. My son attended and I became hooked on the school. I’m not going to try and compare and contrast the two programs but clearly their BB program is far superior.

No doubt its talent as they pull in McDonald’s AA by the bushel. They don’t always have a top ranked recruiting class but they are up there every year.

Two things impress my about Coach K and the program. He looks ahead in recruiting and he does it in scheduling. He knows the capabilities of his team and he plays to those strengths. He gets the best recruits he can team wise and adapts the Offense to their capabilities. Defensively he tweaks every year but offensively he can make very significant changes, year to year, based on the talent on hand,

In terms of scheduling, he looks to March. His game plan is to build a team and test it in different environments before he gets into the ACC schedule. He consistently plays a very tough OOC schedule in the Fall. If he avoids injury, it pays off come March.

When I look at the ND program, I don’t see it. I don’t see a coach maximizing talent and trying to cover weaknesses. ND looks like a bunch of big, usually thick guys trying to finesse a game. I haven’t watched that many games but enough to be surprised at a lack of coaching impact. The one time I saw Brey make a big difference was two years ago with that “take the air out of the ball, grind slowly” offense.

Other than that I would be hard pressed to see a strategy at work. The CBS panel before last nights game was talking about ND’s discipline and ball control. Guess I have to watch more because last night all I saw were turnovers.

I like Brey. I just don’t see him as a great coach.

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By: Kevin https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12768 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:30:02 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12768 Like BC, I now live in the Triangle area of North Carolina. Have so for 14 years coming from Wisconsin. I have no skin in the game between the ACC teams. BC is dead on about NCState fans and expectations but where I disagree is I’m ready for ND to miss the tournament for a few years on the hope, yes hope, that a new coach gets them to the Sweet 16 more often and, heaven forbid, a Final Four once in awhile. Brey is an ideal ND coach for all the reasons mentioned. And I wouldn’t want to hire a coach that sacrifices academics or quality people for a NCAA win. But it is time to try to find a coach that can us to that next level. If he doesn’t succeed, hire another. Enough of this monotony.

It may be joining the ACC will make for better recruits but it certainly won’t make for better competition. The ACC is a very weak outside the top 2-3 teams. It will NOT prepare us for NCAA like the Big East. Maybe give Brey a couple years here and if the same disappointing finish occurs take a different direction. I have to believe the 10 year contract has some way out without breaking the bank.

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By: Corey https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12767 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:27:18 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12767 Mike Brey is a great guy. At best, he is a mediocre coach. What I witnessed last night was insufferable. At one point in the first half our offense turned the ball over on 5 straight possessions. Why does Brey insist to run that terrible burn offense when the team is struggling to generate any opportunities on offense? Here’s a great idea, we can’t get off a single shot, so let’s slow everything down and allow the defense to set up on every single possession!

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By: JMURPH https://dev.ndnation.com/time-for-point-c-2/#comment-12765 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:49:57 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3829#comment-12765 As a long time Chicagoan, I am reminded of Jerry Reinsdorf ‘s “point B to point C” comment on firing Collins as well. Reinsdorf took a risk because Collins had just coached the Bulls to one of its most successful recent postseasons. Things seemed to be on the rise with Collins as coach. Looking at the coaching legacies of Phil Jackson and Collins, you see the prescience inReinsdorf ‘s unpopular (at the time) decision.

The difference in these situations is that, in Chicago, many thought at the time that Collins was the man for the job and could get them to point C. Here, no one that I know of genuinely sees Brey as someone who can accomplish that. I find it hard to imagine that Swarbrick fails to see that. While an inadequate practice facility undoubtedly limits recruiting, and while admissions presents a significant obstacle, the biggest hurdle to recruiting is the head man. For better or worse, succesful college basketball programs are inextricably linked to the head coach. What legitimate championship level recruit (and, no, ND has none on the roster for next year )would commit to playing for a coach who can’t get his teams to perform at even the level of mediocrity in the tournament. And that is with a very large sample size.

Mike Brey is not a bad guy or a bad coach. Yet, he is not a championship level coach. As long as he remains the head man, the administration signals to everyone–most importantly recruits–that the University is not truly committed to achieving championship success. All the sparkling practice facilities won’t change that perception. Reinsdorf was willing to take the criticism by making an unpopular choice in order to get the Bulls to a championship. Unlike that moment, if ND fired Brey, the decision would–appropriately–be met with understanding and even praise by those who matter, the people who closely watch and care about the program. Only until then does ND gives itself a legitimate shot to contend.

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