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Comments on: What’s all this “Process” talk about? https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/ The Independent Voice of Notre Dame Athletics Fri, 11 May 2018 16:51:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: JJ https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8326 Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:23:47 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8326 In reply to martinjordan.

You make some very good points. Kelly’s first 2 seasons were underwhelming, to say the least. And. compared to Lou’s trajectory, was not instilling confidence. This year’s team has achieved because of individuals stepping into key roles (F Shumate, J Motta, D line) and pure athleticism bouying this team. That’s a testament to his recruiting. As far as coaching, Kelly’s offense – specifically his handling of QB’s – has been, and continues to be, a real problem going forward. Ironic, since that’s what he used to build his resume. Finally, his glaring weakness IMO, is his inability to inspire these young players. We’ll see if he’s turning that tide when the Stanford/SC games come round, or if they come out flat yet again. I’m all for process, but it’s only as effective as the leader who inspiresit.

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By: chris https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8280 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:03:42 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8280 In reply to Steel_Valley_Irish.

Tiger Woods It’s a process

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By: SEE https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8256 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 05:24:26 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8256 In reply to Doug.

Doug… I don’t expect anyone to “believe” I do expect people to understand that great coaching is less than a purple face on a Saturday and more about what happens in the daily interactions.

I don’t blame anyone for skepticism… I do blame them for chastising views without merit that simply differ from their own.

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By: Doug https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8249 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:14:38 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8249 You know how you believe in a process? You win and you win consistently. If you want people to believe in your process you have success. 8-5 in back to back seasons are not a process. We beat the teams we expect to beat plus one, MSU, two years in a row. You want people to believe in your process you beat Michigan on Saturday. Now we are 4-0 and the process is working. If you lose Saturday the the chances of you going 8-5 again increases. Ara had a process, Lou had a process. By the third year they had National Championships. Those players bought into the process. Ara won with Kuharich and Devore players who couldnt get out of their own way. Lou won with Gerry’s boys. Never once did either coach say”wait until I get my players into the system.” Kelly has changed this year and I hope they have bought into his process. We find out how much Saturday night.

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By: Tim C https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8245 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:43:56 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8245 In reply to SEE.

I enjoyed your story. However, ND’s a different beast than Alabama & Saban. If your going to look at football results then Saban looks great. We all know that just a bad comparison. When it comes to graduating players and having them graduate with a degree of use then I would take Kelly hands down. I understand the goal is winning a national championship. ND won’t make the same type of choices with recruits (RKG’s) that most of the winning teams will. The SE Conference teams not only overlook grades but character as we’ve observed too. Unless the something drastic changes at ND I can’t see them competing year in and out for the NC. I can see them competing for an opportunity for a BCS game. Should ND ever enter the ACC as a full member in football that may change circumstances. Just as the BCS playoff will evolve over time. Again, I always enjoy reading your articles & Go Irish.

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By: martinjordan https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8244 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:22:23 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8244 Ara took a 2 and 7 team and coached it to within a half of a National championship in his first year. He moved players to new postions and took a QB from the fourth team to the Heisman Trophy.

Divine inherited Montana, Browner, McAfee, Fry, Golic etc…

Holtz had to completely change the culture but the team was tougher and more disciplined from day one. That first year they played the toughest schedule in the country and were a few bad calls away from pulling off some huge upsets (ie. remember that touchdown to the tight end against Michigan that was called out of the end zone but replay showed he was clearly in and that clip on the kickoff return against Penn State?) While Faust did not leave the cupboard bare team speed was a major issue which Holtz fixed within 2 years.

Weis did not leave the cupboard bare but Kelly’s first two teams played just a undisciplined and sloppy as they had previously. Most of the talent was on offense but it was for a pro style offense. The talent on defense was from one recruiting year. Kelly had to fix the defense which he appears to have done but the jury is still out on his offense. I felt that last year’s team under acheived badly and was poorly coached.

When Kelly arrived he wasn’t shy about photo ops with Ara and Lou so fans naturally expected that sort of turn around and when it didn’t happen he caught alot of flak. Most of the doubts about him were weather or not he could recruit. the answer to that is “YES!” The doubts now are about his play calling.

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By: Don in LA https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8237 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:07:43 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8237 I’m often critcal of the writing on ND Nation. This is a thoughtful and reasonable article. False starts (no pun intended) in the Willingham and Weis eras had fans unreasonable hopeful that a messianic coach would come in, flip a couple of switches and make it 1988 again. 1988 was preceeded by 1986 and 1987. Those seasons were promising mostly in retrospect. The jury was still out on Holtz. No one really could see the breakout coming.

Most of us didn’t believe in the Irish last Saturday. Had they lost a close one to a highly ranked team on the road this article would likely have taken a different tone. Next week’s article may have a different tone. The Wolverines aren’t coming to lay down. The point is, as Swarbrick recently said, this is about reversing a slide that occurred over many years for many reasons. It doesn’t happen overnight. It’s a classic change process.

I know. I’m a organizational change consultant. 🙂

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By: BruceB https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8235 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:19:37 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8235 You make it sound like football is the be-all and end-all in life. I’m not sure ND, and by extension, Kelly, would agree with you. Considering that fewer than one percent of kids playing HS football will earn a living playing football, a degree from a good school is far more important. That QB that graduated from a football factory in Texas, made millions, spent millions, and is now broke, is the most recent example. If Kelly manages to make the Irish BCS-eligible on a consistent basis, he has done his job, and I have no doubt he will accomplish that. If a solid run at the NC comes along every 5-6 years, so much the better. Ara and Lou didn’t do much better. I’m pretty sure Notre Dame’s graduation rate is at least as important to them as their ranking.
I’ve been a Kelly fan for years and thought he was the perfect choice for ND. His teams have shown consistent improvement from the beginning in terms of conditioning, attitude and player development. That will translate into wins as development continues and recruiting brings in the players Kelly needs. He clearly understands what it takes to build winning college football teams in the modern era.

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By: a68domer https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8234 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:39:56 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8234 Excellent article. Jack Swarbrick recently talked about how Brian Kelly is setting and building the foundation. He didn’t mention Xs and Os or Ws and Ls. Those will fall in place if you trust and believe in the Process. No coach since Lou has “gotten this.” We fans are too focused on the short term – many of us talked of firing Kelly after the 2011 season. But even us “Senior Alumns” have to be patient. Absolutely essential that we all take ’em “one game at a time.” GO IRISH !! beat Wolverines !

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By: SEE https://dev.ndnation.com/whats-all-this-process-talk-about/#comment-8231 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:03:36 +0000 https://dev.ndnation.com/?p=3116#comment-8231 In reply to ArizonaIrish.

This is a very good point, there has to be accountability “built in” to processes and just having a process is meaningless. Couple of points on that. Kelly and team try to build in accountability and it relates to playing time usually. If Longo reports that they’re not working out or committed, they get docked practice or even playing time. Good processes are ultimately about driving the right behavior. Stale processes generally don’t and aren’t beneficial. The key point about the Kelly processes I’ve looked is that I was impressed with the accountability and reinforcement built in to the process. Not sure if there’s an improvement mechanism built in, I suspect that happens in the coaching meeting.

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